Why was Lucifer’s special bond with Satan removed?

Why was Lucifer’s special bond with Satan removed?

Earlier today you would have noticed that Mitama removed Lucifer’s +13% skill DMG special bond with Satan, which cause quite a bit of outrage in the community. Like many, I was looking forward to bonding my Lucifer to Satan and watching her rip into things, and was a little disappointed to see that bond go.

However, there is a very good reason why Mitama decided to remove this special bond- and it’s not because some people accidentally sold Lucifer and couldn’t make this bond work.

Take a look at their announcement on the matter. It says the bond was ‘not reasonable because Lucifer is not available anymore’, which is the key point here- when Mitama introduced bonds, they set a precedent of not having special bonds on past daemons that are no longer attainable. It appears that what has happened is that Mitama meant to only have the new Lucifer bond to Satan, but didn’t get their coding correct, so that the old Lucifer had the same special bond. This is what was rectified. In fact, the same thing recently happened with Tsukuyomi, who had an ability pertaining to normal Susanoo, except they probably didn’t pick up on this/no one bothered to report it because let’s face it, Tsukuyomi is pretty crappy.

Why can’t Mitama keep that special bond?

The key reason is game balance. While a special bond with Lucifer would be good for veterans who kept him, it would put new players who joined after that event at a distinct disadvantage (especially given that it’s a huge+13%). This is bad, because attracting and keeping new players is crucial for the overall growth and longevity of the game. You can’t rely solely on veterans to keep the game alive as people will quit for whatever reason (life, boredom, other games, etc.). Thus, in order to grow and continue, a game needs to do things that give new players a chance to get their footing and play alongside veterans without feeling that they’re completely useless.

But a lot of powerful daemons are unavailable for newbies- like Titanium Elf/Amanojaku, Cherry Blossom Front or Belphegor- so what’s the big deal with a bond?

Well, for all of the powerful daemons that were once available, there are a number of similar alternatives that get released in events, as helpers, or in Jewel Summon- for example, Dojigiri Serious, Beelzebub [HW] and Fafnir for Titanium Elf and Amano, and Roman Candell and Kappa for Belphegor. Even the very overpowered Cherry has a similar alternative in Orpheus. In each of these cases, new players still have a chance of getting an alternative, whereas by implementing an insane special bond with an old daemon is something that has no alternative.

But what about the bait and switch- giving us something, only to take it away? Shouldn’t we be angry about this?

Imagine there’s a group of athletes competing in a race. On the day of the race, the organisers accidentally give some athletes water containing performance-enhancing steroids, while other athletes just get normal water. It’s a no brainer that to make the race fair, the organisers should take back the steroid water and give all the athletes normal water. It’s the same situation here- we were never meant to get that bond, so the best thing to do to correct the problem was remove it ASAP.

Ultimately, you must remember that Mitama needs to make decisions for the good of the game. While this will cause problems for the players that are affected, know that decisions like these are what will help keep the game fair and enjoyable for everyone, and keep the game going for many months and years to come.



20 thoughts on “Why was Lucifer’s special bond with Satan removed?”

  • “Well, for all of the powerful daemons that were once available, there are a number of similar alternatives that get released in events, as helpers, or in Jewel Summon- for example, Dojigiri Serious, Beelzebub [HW] and Fafnir for Titanium Elf and Amano, and Roman Candell and Kappa for Belphegor. Even the very overpowered Cherry has a similar alternative in Orpheus. In each of these cases, new players still have a chance of getting an alternative, whereas by implementing an insane special bond with an old daemon is something that has no alternative.”

    * Fafnir is a JOKE
    * Yeah, compare Roman´s and Kappa´s HUGE damage “in the last wave” with ABSURD damage that Belphegor can deal in EVERY wave
    * Dojiri isnt even that great since she needs another “Heavenly Sword” teammate to deal HUGE damage

    The thing is that they released a bunch of broken daemons in the beggining of the game and NOW they are giving us a couple of pale imitations of them instead of fixing their mistakes by patching the game!

    In my opinion, the correct solution to all of this is make a BALANCE TEAM, so they decide to buff the bad daemons and nerf the op ones

  • This doesnt make any fucking sense, Mitama removes the bond because of BALANCE SAKE????
    WTF IF THEY WANT BALANCE THEN NERF AMANOJAKU, which is a 4 star daemon that outclasses the majority of 5 star nuker daemons.
    Or BELPHEGOR, which no also she hits 3 targets, EACH INDIVIDUAL TARGET CAN RECIEVE UP TO 4000 DAMAGE OR EVEN MORE!! That is ALMOST more than a 4 star or even 5 star nuker!!!!

    Are they really THAT hypocrital about that? NERF Amanojaku and Belphegor and BUFF Loki and Typhoon and maybe they are “Concerned” about the game balance.

  • I don’t know if I agree..

    Old players would have the bond with the old Lucifer, the new players would have it with the new one.

    I don’t see why it’s so bad for the new players, as people already said, Otogi is a very kind game for beginners as they ALSO made another Lucifer for them and will let it there for exchange too.
    I don’t see where it’s so unfair.

    Just my opinion, tho.

    • Not quite- old players would have bonds with both the old Lucifer AND the new Lucifer. Regardless, the principle here stands- there will be no bonds with past daemons that are currently unavailable.

      • But they will remove the new Lucfer bond too?
        So…
        No point.

        Couldn’t they just fix the code? Or make it able to bond just one Lucifer (it’s “Lucifer” after al, they should be able to make it count as same card.)

  • I don’t quite understand why is there an outrage about this. Who is the victim? Players who used a lot of items on day 1 to get to lvl 200? Well, they’re either whales (and they would do it anyway) or got excited about getting a best nuker in the game (which they have ANYWAY – she still IS the best nuker). Anyone else, if you didn’t get Satan on day 1, then NOTHING was taken away from you, so there’s nothing to complain about.

  • Hm if you put like that
    A “no demon that has been released already will ever get a special bond if it has not already got it from the start ” its kind of acceptable
    Vexing in satans case but overall better for all demons

    ^please if i have to dread the day the go all willy nilly with that instead and this was just random …..

  • I still think that giving a free copy of old lucifer to everyone so that everyone has the special bond (or 25 mochi from selling it if they already have it) would have been the more apropriete way to fix this issue. And that in order to keep the “game balance” they should in the futur pay more attention to what they are doing or recheck what they were doing.

    Because right now removing the bond after it has been discovered (either from the leaks or seing top ranker using it for bond and seing the +13% special bond) feel like punishing the player base for their mistake. if i should take your exemple what we feel like now is that ” after the organisers accidentally give some athletes water containing performance-enhancing steroids, while other athletes just get normal water” they took back all the water.

    • Ah, but they didn’t take back all the water. We still have a very powerful nuker in Satan, even without the +13% bond fron Lucifer.

      To quote Fuurin, Mitama is notorious for its mistakes. Unfortunatley when you have a small team pumping out content very quickly the checking process kinda gets skipped…

    • But your suggestion is along the lines of “well, we accidentally gave some steroids to some so….guess I better gives every athlete steroids now for balance”. Don’t think that works as well either. In the end it shouldn’t have been there in the first place and it got removed, plus Satan is incredibly strong even without it so I really don’t see an issue. People are almost acting as if they deleted it from some peoples accounts and not others.

  • And the fact that they actually recompensate all players is proof of their generosity already. To be fair, Otogi is a much more fairer game than Ayakashi. I hardly remember Ayakashi ever sparing newbies a chance nor offer tons of gold for summoning rare cards. Nope, its 1 stars and the occassional three stars from Free Summon people!

    • it is not a “recompensate” but a “small “compensation for their “big” mistake.
      And i suggest you to not use those jewel for summoning but rather to save them and buy the daily half priced tonic instead.

  • Just pointing out that steroids only work in long term use, a better example would be giving beta blockers to an archer before a target archery tournament.

    • Steroids are long term use? How appropriate, because Satan will be a staple of many people’s teams for a long time to come. Unless Mitama gives out another strong nuker for free in ghe next CQ, that is xD

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